Sunday, 25 November 2012

FUNNY SHIA AHADEETH ON VIRTUES OF VISITING IMAM HUSSAIN (R.A) GRAVE : IF THIS DOESN'T MAKE YOU LAUGH -OUT LOUD - YOU DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR



Here goes the story ( Hillarious : 5 star rating) 

At one night I saw that three had gathered near the grave of our master al-Hussein (ra),
So I decided to go to them and ask them what the purpose of their gathering was..

The first one said:

(I AM) Thiqat al-Islam abu Ja`far Muhammad bin Ya`qoub bin Ishaq al-Kulayni al-Razi, writer of al-Kafi. (Shia's Bukhari lol) 

The second one said:

al-Saduq abu Ja`far Muhammad bin `Ali bin al-Hussein bin Musa bin Babaweih al-Qummi, writer of al-Faqih. (Second greatest book) 

The third one said:

Sheikh al-Ta’efah abu Ja`far Muhammad bin al-Hassan bin `Ali al-Tusi, writer of al-Istibsar & al-Tahtheeb (Another important book of shias) 

I said: Oh, the three abu Ja`fars!? writers of the four books that misguided our Rafidhi cousins? What brings your likes to a pure grave like this?

The biggest among them Kulayni said:

Me and these two companions of mine have differed on which of us loves the dweller of this grave the most, we need you to judge between us!

I told them:

Love is not just a saying of the mouth but needs to be backed by action,However, it appears none of them understood my words…

al-Saduq being the witty fox that he is took the chance and quickly said:

I will demonstrate to you all that I am the one who loves abu `Abdillah the most, I will grant anyone who vists his grave the reward of a `Umrah! So he grabbed his pen and wrote thee following:

حدثنا محمد بن الحسن قال حدثنا محمد بن الحسن الصفار عن محمد بن الحسين بن أبي الخطاب عن ابن سنان قال : سمعت الرضا عليه السلام يقول : زيارة قبر الحسين عليه السلام تعدل عمرة مبرورة مقبولة.
ثواب الأعمال- الصدوق ص 85

Ibn Sinan said: I heard al-Rida (as) say: The visit to the grave of al-Hussein (as) is equal to a good accepted `Umrah. [
source: Thawab al-A`mal – Saduq – p85]

al-Tusi the youngest would not allow his companion enough time to enjoy his achievement and he went and wrote us the following:

محمد بن أحمد بن داود عن سلامة بن محمد عن علي بن محمد الجبائي عن أحمد بن هلال عن الحسن بن محبوب عن معاوية بن وهب البجلي قال : قال لي أبو عبد الله ( عليه السلام ) : من عرف عند قبر الحسين ( عليه السلام ) فقد شهد عرفة .
تهذيب الأحكام – الطوسي ج 6 ص 51

Mu`awiyah bin Wahb al-Bajali said: abu `Abdillah (as) told me: He who stands on the day of `Arafah near the grave of al-Hussein (as) it is as if he attended `Arafah(Hajj).
source: Tahtheeb al-Ahkam – Tusi – 6/51

al-Saduq said: I see, if that’s how it’s going to be than I say a Hajj and a `Umrah!

أبي ( ره ) قال حدثنا علي بن إبراهيم عن أبيه عن أحمد بن أبي نصر قال سأل بعض أصحابنا أبا الحسن الرضا عليه السلام عمن أتى قبر الحسين عليه السلام قال تعادل حجة وعمرة .
ثواب الأعمال- الصدوق ص 86

Ahmad bin abi Nasr said: some of our companions asked abu al-Hassan al-Rida (as) about the one who vists the grave of al-Hussein (as), he said: it equals a Hajj and a `Umrah.
source: al-Thawab – Saduq – p86

al-Kulayni smiled and said: Heh, I will make it a Hajj and a `Umrah from a distance, without even a Ziyarah!

محمد بن يحيى ، عن سلمة بن الخطاب ، عن عبد الله بن الخطاب ، عن عبد الله بن محمد بن سنان ، عن مسمع ، عن يونس بن عبد الرحمن ، عن حنان ، عن أبيه قال : قال أبو عبد الله ( عليه السلام ) : …… يا سدير أن تزور قبر الحسين ( عليه السلام ) في كل جمعة خمس مرات وفي كل يوم مرة ؟ قلت : جعلت فداك إن بيننا وبينه فراسخ كثيرة فقال لي : اصعد فوق سطحك ثم تلتفت يمنة ويسرة ثم ترفع رأسك إلى السماء ثم انحو القبر وتقول : ” السلام عليك يا أبا عبد الله السلام عليك ورحمة الله وبركاته ” تكتب لك زورة والزورة حجة وعمرة .
الكافي – الكليني ج 4 ص 589

Hannan from his father: abu `Abdullah (as) said: (…) O Sudayr, to visit the grave of Hussein (as) every friday five times and everyday once? I said: May I be sacrifice for you, the distance between us is big? he said to me: Climb on your roof then turn right and left, then to the sky, then  towards the grave and say: “Peace and blessings and mercy of Allah be upon you O aba `Abdillah” It will be written for you the reward of a visit and the visit is equal to a Hajj and a `Umrah. source: al-Kafi – Kulayni – 4/589.

al-Saduq was not happy with what he just heard, so he said: I will take it upon myself to make the visit equal to ten trips of Hajj and their `Umras!!

حدثني محمد بن الحسن قال حدثنا الحسين بن الحسن بن أبان عن الحسين ابن سعيد عن القاسم بن محمد عن إسحاق بن إبراهيم عن هارون قال سأل رجل أبا عبد الله عليه السلام وأنا عنده فقال مالمن زار قبل الحسين عليه السلام ؟ فقال ان قبر الحسين عليه السلام وكل الله به أربعة آلاف ملك شعث غبر يبكونه إلى يوم القيامة فقلت له بأبي أنت وامي تروي عن آبائك ان ثواب زيارته كثواب الحج ؟ قال نعم حجة وعمرة حتى عد عشرا .
ثواب الأعمال- الصدوق ص 85

Haroon said: a man asked aba `Abdillah (as) while I was there, so he said: What does the visitor of al-Hussein (as) get? He replied: Allah appointed to the grave of al-Hussein (as) four thousand angels, they look terrible as they cry for him until the day of judgement. I said: May my mother and father be sacrifice for you, do you narrate from your parents that the reward of visiting him is like going to Hajj? he said: Yes, a Hajj and a `Umrah, until he counted them ten times. source: al-Thawab – Saduq – p85.

al-Tusi retaliated quickly saying: I will take it upon myself to make them twenty!!

محمد بن أحمد بن داود عن محمد بن الحسن عن محمد بن الحسن الصفار عن أحمد بن عيسى عن محمد بن سنان عن الحسين بن المختار عن زيد الشحام عن ابي عبد الله ( عليه السلام ) قال : زيارة قبر الحسين ( عليه السلام ) تعدل عشرين حجة ، وافضل من عشرين عمرة وحجة
تهذيب الأحكام – الطوسي ج 6 ص 47

Zayd al-Shahham from abu `Abdillah (as): The visit of the grave of Hussein (as) is equal to twenty Hajj trips, and is better than twenty `Umrah and Hajj trips. source: al-Tahtheeb – Tusi – 6/47.

al-Saduq turned towards his friend with a serious face and said: Twenty one!!

حدثني محمد بن علي بن ما جيلويه عن عمه محمد بن أبي القاسم عن محمد ابن الحسين عن محمد بن سنان عن حذيفة بن منصور قال : قال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام كم حججت ؟ فقلت تسعة عشر ، قال : فقال أما انك لو أتممت إحدى وعشرين حجة لكنت كمن زار الحسين بن علي عليهما السلام .
ثواب الأعمال- الصدوق ص92

Huthayfah bin Mansour said: abu `Abdullah (as) said: How many times have you went to hajj? I said: nineteen times, so he said: If you were to complete twenty one trips of Hajj then you would be like he who visits the grave of al-Hussein bin `Ali (as).
source: al-Thawab – Saduq – p92

al-Kulayni said: Only twenty one? How about I make it twenty five then!!

محمد بن الحسين ، عن محمد بن إسماعيل ، عن صالح بن عقبة ، عن أبي سعيد المدائني قال : دخلت على أبي عبد الله ( عليه السلام ) فقلت له : جعلت فداك أئت ( 1 ) قبر الحسين ( عليه السلام ) ؟ قال : نعم يا أبا سعيد فائت قبر ابن رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) أطيب الطيبين وأطهر الطاهرين و أبر الابرار فإذا زرته كتب الله لك به خمسة وعشرين حجة .
الكافي – الكليني ج 4 ص 581

abu Sa`eed al-Mada`inee said: I entered on abu `Abdillah (as) and said: May I be sacrificed for you, I go to the grave of al-Hussein (as)? he said: Yes, O abu Sa`eed go to the grave of the son of Rassul-Allah (SAWS), the most beautiful of people and most pure of people and most pious of people, if you visit him Allah will write for you thee reward of twenty five Hajj trips. source: Kafi – Kulayni – 4/581.

al-Saduq raised his head and said: No, but rather thirty!!

حدثني محمد بن الحسن قال حدثني احمد بن ادريس عن محمد بن احمد ابن الحسين عن محمد بن إسماعيل عن الحيري عن موسى بن القاسم الحضرمي قال ورد أبو عبد الله عليه السلام في أول ولاية أبي جعفر فنزل النجف فقال يا موسى إذهب إلى الطريق الاعظم فقف على الطريق فانظر فانه سيجيئك رجل من ناحية القادسية فإذا دنا منك فقل له هاهنا رجل من ولد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يدعوك فيجئ معك ….. حتى يصل الحديث الى ….. قال : فقال له أبو عبد الله عليه السلام أفلا أزيدك من فضله فضلا يا أخا اليمن ؟ قال زدني يابن رسول الله قال زيارة أبي عبد الله عليه السلام تعدل حجة مقبولة متقبلة زاكية مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فتعجب من ذلك فقال إي والله حجتين مبرورتين متقبلتين زاكيتين مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فتعجب من ذلك فلم يزل أبو عبد الله عليه السلام يزيد حتى قال ثلاثين حجة مبرورة متقبلة زاكية مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله .
ثواب الأعمال- الصدوق ص 94

Musa bin Qassim al-Hadrami said: abu `Abdillah (as) said: (…) Do you want me to mention to you more of his virtues O brother from Yemen? the yemeni said: increase me O son of Rassul-Allah (SAWS). he (as) said: visiting abu `Abdillah (as) is equal to an accepted good Hajj alongside the Prophet (SAWS), so he found this strange, then he (as) said: Yes by Allah, it is equal to two accepted good Hajj trips alongside the Prophet (SAWS), so he found this strange. so he (as) kept on increasing until he reached thirty accepted good trips of Hajj with the Prophet (SAWS). source: al-Thawab – Saduq – p94.

al-Kulayni had a sly smile on his face, he said: With me, it is equal to forty trips with their `Umras, half of them with a Prophet or an Imam (the infallible imams of the ahle bait according to shias)!!

محمد بن يحيى ، عن محمد بن الحسين ، عن محمد بن إسماعيل ، عن صالح بن عقبة ، عن بشير الدهان قال : قلت لابي عبد الله ( عليه السلام ) : ربما فاتني الحج فاعرف ( 2 ) عند قبر الحسين ( عليه السلام ) ؟ فقال : أحسنت يا بشير أيما مؤمن أتى قبر الحسين ( عليه السلام ) عارفا بحقه في غير يوم عيد كتب الله له عشرين حجة وعشرين عمرة مبرورات مقبولات وعشرين حجة وعمرة مع نبي مرسل أو إمام عدل
الكافي – الكليني ج 4 ص 580

Basheer al-Dahhan said: I said to abu `Abdullah (as): maybe I miss the Hajj so I spend `Arafah near the grave of al-Hussein (as)? He said: Yes good job O Basheer, any believer who goes to the grave of al-Hussein (as) acknowledging his right on a day other than `Eid, Allah will write him the reward of twenty good and accepted Hajj trips and twenty `Umrah, and also twenty good and accepted Hajj trips and twenty `Umrah alongside a sent prophet or a just Imam.source: al-Kafi – Kulayni – 4/580

At this point al-Saduq was impatient, he jumped and said: eighty accepted Hajj trips!!

أبي ( ره ) قال حدثني سعد بن عبد الله عن محمد بن الحسين عن محمد بن سنان عن محمد بن صدقة عن مالك بن عطية عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال : من زار قبر أبي عبد الله كتب الله له ثمانين حجة مبرورة
ثواب الأعمال- الصدوق ص 91
Malik bin `Atiyyah narrated from abu `Abdillah (as): Whosoever shall visit the grave of abu `Abdillah (as), Allah will write him eighty good Hajj trips.source: Thawab – Saduq – p91.

al-Tusi with a cold stare simply said: a hundred Hajj and a hundred `Umrah and a hundred battles alongside a Prophet or a Just Imam.

محمد بن يعقوب عن محمد بن يحيى عن محمد بن الحسين عن محمد بن اسماعيل عن صالح بن عقبة عن بشير الدهان عن ابي عبد الله ( عليه السلام ) : من اتاه في يوم عيد كتب الله له مائة حجة ومائة عمرة ومائة غزوة مع نبي مرسل أو امام عدل .
تهذيب الأحكام – الطوسي ج 6 ص 46

Muhammad bin Ya`qoub al-Kulayni from Muhammad bin Yahya from Muhammad bin al-Hussein from Muhammad bin Isma`eel from Salif bin `Uqbah from Basheer al-Dahhan from abu `Abdillah (as): He who comes to him on a day of `Eid, Allah shall write for him a hundred Hajj and a hundred `Umrah and a hundred battles alongside a sent prophet or a just Imam.
source: al-Tahtheeb – Tusi – 6/46.

Here al-Kulayni got angry and said: How dare you narrate this from me!? who gave you permission!?

And a fight almost broke out if I hadn’t intervened between Kulayni and Tusi.
Meanwhile, al-Saduq seized this opportunity to come up with a narration of mass destruction:

ي ( ره ) قال حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله عن محمد بن الحسين عن محمد بن اسماعيل عن صالح بن عقبة عن بشير الدهان قال : قلت لابي عبد الله عليه السلام ربما فاتني الحج فأعرف عند قبر الحسين عليه السلام قال أحسنت يا بشير أيما مؤمن أتى قبر الحسين عليه السلام عارفا بحقه في غير يوم عيد كتبت له عشرون حجة وعشرون عمرة مبرورات متقبلات وعشرون غزوة مع نبي مرسل أو إمام عادل ، ومن أتاه في يوم عيد كتبت له مائة حجة ومائة عمرة ومائة غزوة مع نبي مرسل أو إمام عادل ، ومن أتاه في يوم عرفة عارفا بحقه كتبت له ألف حجة وألف عمرة متقبلات وألف غزوة مع نبي مرسل أو إمام عادل .
ثواب الأعمال- الصدوق ص 89

Salih bin `Uqbah from Basheer al-Dahhan who said: I said to abu `Abdillah (as): maybe I miss the Hajj so I spend `Arafah near the grave of al-Hussein (as)? He said: Yes good job O Basheer, any believer who goes to the grave of al-Hussein (as) acknowledging his right on a day other than `Eid, Allah will write him the reward of twenty good and accepted Hajj trips and twenty `Umrah, and also twenty good and accepted Hajj trips and twenty `Umrah alongside a sent prophet or a just Imam. And he who goes to him on a day of `Eid then it shall be written for him a hundred Hajj trips and a hundred `Umrah and a hundred battles alongside a sent prophet or just imam, while he who goes to him on the day of `Arafah acknowledging his right it shall be written for him a thousand Hajj and a thousand `Umrah and a thousand battles alongside a sent prophet or just imam.
source: Thawab – Saduq – p89.

Here al-Kulayni lost his mind and started shouting at them: O Sons of Iblees! back in our good old days we didn’t use to offer more than a hundred Hajj and a hundred `Umrah trips, you took my narration from my book and added to it damn you! and he left the public auction in a state of extreme sadness…

al-Tusi turned towards us and said with confidence: But rather with each foot step a Hajj with all its rituals and a battle.

محمد بن أحمد بن داود عن محمد بن الحسن عن محمد بن يحيى عن محمد بن الحسين عن محمد بن اسماعيل عن صالح بن عقبة عن بشير الدهان قال : قال لي أبو عبد الله ( ع ) : يا بشير ان المؤمن إذا أتى قبر الحسين ( عليه السلام ) في يوم عرفة واغتسل بالفرات ثم توجه إليه كتب الله له بكل خطوة حجة بمناسكها ولا اعلمه إلا قال : وغزوة
تهذيب الأحكام – الطوسي ج 6 ص 50

Salih bin `Uqbah from Basheer al-Dahhan who said: abu `Abdillah (as) said to me: O Basheer, the believer who comes to the grave of al-Hussein (as) during `Arafah and washes himself with the water of the Furat river, then headed towards him, Allah will write for him with every step a complete Hajj trip with its rituals, and he added: and a Battle.source: Tahtheeb – Tusi – 6/50.

At this instance the two opponents of al-Tusi joined forces and said: Don’t cheat ya Tusi! give us a clear number!

He looked with confidence, and why would he not? numbers evolved in his times since he was the latest and youngest of the three, and said: Alrighty then.

He uttered a number that Kulayni and Saduq hadn’t even heard of! he said: a MILLION Hajj trips, and a MILLION freed slaves,  and a MILLION offerings loaded on the backs of horses in the cause of Allah, and just to annoy you more he shall be awarded the title of “truthful” and “cherub (arabic???? lol) ”.

عن أبو القاسم جعفر بن محمد قال : حدثني محمد بن عبد المؤمن عن محمد بن يحيى عن محمد بن الحسين عن أحمد بن محمد الكوفي عن محمد بن جعفر بن اسماعيل عن محمد بن سنان عن يونس بن ظبيان عن ابي عبد الله ( عليه السلام ) قال : من زار قبر الحسين ( عليه السلام ) يوم عرفة كتب الله له الف الف حجة مع القائم ( عليه السلام ) ، والف الف عمرة مع رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) ، وعتق الف الف نسمة ، وحملان الف الف فرس في سبيل الله ، وسماه الله عزوجل عبدي الصديق آمن بوعدي وقالت الملائكة : فلان صديق زكاه الله من فوق عرشه ، وسمي في الارض كروبيا .
تهذيب الأحكام – الطوسي ج 6 ص 50

Yunis bin Thabiyan from abi `Abdillah (as) who said: He who visits the grave of al-Hussein (as) on `Arafah, Allah shall write for him a million Hajj trips with al-Qa’em al-Mahdi, and a million `Umrah with the Prophet (SAWS), and the reward of freeing a million slaves, and the reward of a million offerings loaded on the backs of horses in the cause of Allah, and Allah shall name him: “My truthful(Siddeeq) slave, he believed in my promise” and the angels shall say: So and so is truthful, Allah praised him from above his throne, and in the earth he shall be  referred to as Cherub.
source: Tahtheeb – Tusi – 6/50.

Just as I was about to ask him about the meaning of “cherub” his two friends jumped him and beat him up to a pulp because he mentioned the word “Siddeeq” in his narration, saying to him: How dare you use the title of our enemy Abu Bakr, you Nasibi!!
I left them alone smashing each other’s jaws and I woke up to the sound of the Fajr Adhan, then I said to myself why not ask the Twelver Shia guys online what does the Imam mean when he says “cherub”…

How awful it would have been to actually meet those filthy scum in real life, those hypocrites who went to the furthest length to try and solidify the religion of their grandfather Ibn Saba’ the Jew… So enjoy you Rafidhah what those clowns you call scholars narrated in their main books to misguide you.

34 comments:

  1. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi26 November 2012 at 19:24

    Assalaamualeykum:

    Brother all the hadeeth you have quoted are either Weak or Majhool

    First Hadeeth: Weak (Mohammad bin Sinan)

    Second Hadeeth: Majlisi:"Weak" (Malādh al-akhyār 9/124)

    Third Hadeeth: Majhool ( بعض أصحابن = ??)

    Fourth Hadeeth: Majlisi: "Weak" (Mirat ul Uqool 18/318)

    Fifth Hadeeth: Majhool

    Sixth Hadeeth: Weak (Mohammad bin Sinan)

    Seventh Hadeeth: Weak (Mohammad bin Sinan)

    Eighth Hadeeth: Majlisi: "Weak" (Mirat ul Uqool 18/308)

    Ninth Hadeeth: Majhool (Musa bin Qasim)

    Tenth Hadeeth: Majlisi: "Weak" (Mirat ul Uqool 18/307)

    Eleventh Hadeeth: Weak (Mohammad bin Sinan)

    Twelveth Hadeeth: Majlisi:"Weak" (Malādh al-akhyār 9/117)

    Thirteenth Hadeeth: Majhool (Bashir)

    Fourteenth hadeeth: Majlisi:"Weak" (Malādh al-akhyār 9/123)

    Fifteenth hadeeth: Weak (Mohammad bin Sinan)

    Hmm Please prove me how does Ibn Saba is founder of Shiaism!! i have asked this before also but you ran away!!

    "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful." (2:111)

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    1. Waalaikum Assalaam,

      Sorry for the delay in replying due to a busy schedule. Will Answer this in 2 comments due to character limitations

      ANSWER PART 1:

      1. The purpose of sharing the above ahadeeth was not to distinguish weak or saheeh, but to expose how pathetic and dumb the shia'a scholars (muhadith) were to report such baseless and illogical reports despite knowing that other reports contradict this report + not giving an explanation reconciling both the reports as how our scholars or our muhadith give.

      2. Even if i had termed the above stories as " Super-Sahih" a sane person would still consider it fabricated. Besides the story line of the dream scenario seems more logical than the ahadeeth itself (Big Lol)

      3 Hajj is one of the Pillars of Islam and even a new revert to Islaam would speak or attribute something to “an infallible successor of prophet(s.a.w)” with CAUTION, let Alone a great so called Muhadith like the above.

      Comparing Hajj to visiting the shrine of al Hussain (a.s) , is like comparing the pilgrimage done for Allah alone, at his house with the grave of Allah's creation. It is not only shameful but a disgrace for such great so called scholars to enlist such fabrications

      4. Now coming to science of hadeeth :

      It is funny how you declare "ALREADY KNOWN TO BE WEAK hadeeth" as "WEAK", Totally missing out the point that shiaism and its books are filled with such (weak) attributions.

      Your shaikh Al Saduq himself testified to this by saying Al Kafi has more than 60% hadeeth to be weak : أنّ الشيخ الصدوق : قدّس سرّه : لم يكن يعتقد صحّة جميع مافي الكافي

      Despite compiling this and other shia books years after the sunni scholars started compiling ahadeeth, they still has a vast majority of its narrations as weak and many more as fabricated and the below examples suffice this :

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      محمد بن يحيى، عن محمد بن الحسين، عن علي بن الحكم، عن العلاء بن رزين، عن محمد بن مسلم قال: قال أبوجعفر (ع): يا محمد إياك أن تمضغ علكا فإني مضغت اليوم علكا وأنا صائم فوجدت في نفسي منه شيئا.

      It has been narrated from Muhammad bin Muslim that Imam Baqir said:

      O Muhammad : Avoid chewing gum, for I chewed gum today while I was fasting, and I observed its effect on my self. [Al Kafi]

      Majlisi grades – Sahih

      Mirat ul Ukul, Vol. 16, p. 296

      This has a serious implication, the Imam didn’t know that this act is makrooh, only after performing it, he came to know that it is makrooh, and the infallible imam performed a makrooh act as well? [Big Lol]

      علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن منصور بن يونس، عن أبي بصير قال: سمعت أبا عبدالله (ع) يقول: الكذبة تنقض الوضوء وتفطر الصائم، قال: قلت: هلكنا، قال: ليس حيث تذهب إنما ذلك الكذب على الله عزوجل وعلى رسوله وعلى الائمة عليهم السلام

      It is narrated from Abu Basir that he said : I heard Imam Jafar saying : Lying breaks the wudhu and the fast. I said : We are doomed , he said : No, it is when lie is upon Allah and His Messenger and the Imams.

      (Your)Majlisi grades this as : Hasan or Muwathaq

      Mirat ul Ukul, Vol. 16, p. 250

      Just think about how many times he would have lied during wudhu and fast that he considered himself doomed? (Smile)

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    2. Answer Part 2 :

      Throwing light on some funny shia'a drunkards oops i mean narrators

      (a)Auf Al Uqaylee - He was drunker and he narrated hadith how he heard(Rijal Ul Kasshi page 90,Mujam Rijal ul Hadith volume 11,page 160)

      (b) Mohammad Ibn Abu Hammad - Shia Muhaddith El Khoi has said about him-he was famous with drinking wine and narrating hadith(Mujam Rijal ul Hadith volume 15,page 278)

      (c) Abu Hamza Sabeet bin Deenar - Shia Abdulhossein Al Musavi has said about him in his own book “Al Murajaat” :”Abu Hamza was the most saleeh,knowable, and Siqa among us.he has taken his knowledge from three imams-As Sadiq,Al Baqir and ZeynoolAbidin(“Al Murajaat page 309)

      180 Degree Contradiction *Ali Ibn Hassan Ibn Faddal has said about him -Abu Hamza was a drunker(Tanqihul Maqal volume 1 page 191,”El Khoi in his “Mujamu Rijalil Hadith” volume 3,page 389)

      Shia Books has added him as a Thiqa(thrutfull)narrator in their books -

      (Tusi “al-Fihrist” page.70, Al Ardabili“Jamiur-roovat”1/134, Rijalul-KAsshi page.176, Hurr Amili “Vasailus-shia”20/149, Abbas al-Qummi “al-Qune vel-Alqab” 1/118, Mamaqani“Tanqihul-maqal”1/189, Rijalul-Hilli page.59)

      326 hadith has been narrated from Abu Hamza in 4 most authentic shia books(Qutubul Arbaa)

      (d)Abdullah İbn Abu Yafoor-Jafari Sadiq(r.a) has said about him,from our shias nobody accepted and obeyed me except Abdullah İbn Abu Yafoor(Rijalul-Kasshi page .215, Tanqeehul-maqal 2/166, jamiur-ruvat 1/467)

      he was a drunker(Rijalul-Kasshi page .214, Tanqeehul-maqal 2/166, Mujamu rijalil-hadith 10/98.)

      THE TRUTH ABOUT SHIA'A MUSTALAHAL AL HADEETH

      Hurr al-Amili states in Wasa’il ash-Shia:

      1) The science of rijal (men) should not be used.

      2) The science of rijal in shi’ism was a recent innovation, and elsewhere he states that it was invented because of the Ahlus-Sunnah’s continual criticism of the shias for not having and following a system for deriving laws from ahadith.

      3) If the system was actually applied, very few, if any, shia ahadith would prove to be sahih (authentic), hasan (good) or muwathaq (trusted) – and the entire shia collection of hadith would prove to be weak.

      ومن هنا يظهر فساد خيال من ظن أن آية ( إن جائكم فاسق بنبأ ) [ الآية (6) من سورة الحجرات (49) ] تشعر بصحة الاصطلاح الجديد .

      Ayatolalh Burjerdi, a recent Shia marja, said:

      (Taraif al-Maqal 2:380)

      أخبار المحمدين بصحة ما في كتبهم جميعا في حيز المنع ، سيما مع ملاحظة إدراجهم الضعاف فيها بل هي أكثر ، ولعل الصحيح المعتبر المدرج في تلك الكتب كالشعرة البيضاء في البقرة السوداء

      “To believe in the authenticity of the narrations reported by the Muhammads (authors of ‘The Four Books’) is impossible, especially with the reports of weak narrators among them. Rather, the weak are far more (than the authentic), whereas the authentic, reliable ones in those books are like the white hair on a black cow.”

      Just few examples :)

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    3. ANSWER : PART 3

      5. Your eminent scholar “ Shaikh Mohammed al Mosawi” known as “ Hallmark” in the shia world (as named by al Koorani) was asked a simple question in a live debate and that was to mention the conditions of a hadeeth to be sahih according to shia principles and then PROVE ONE HADEETH TO BE SAHIH AS PER THIS CONDITION . obviously he couldn’t answer, once again proving how feeble and corrupt are shia in their own man made religion .Proof of Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NbGpm_PzHI

      6. Apparently another Ayadollar (Ayatollah) in a large (too large) crowd near the grave of Al Hussain (r.a) addresses the crowd TESTIFYING THAT VISITING HUSSAIN’S GRAVE IS LIKE VISITING ALLAH’S THRONE : Proof : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TArwi3NxmGE

      {{"Produce your proof, if you should be truthful." (2:111)}}

      "But" if you are... [Don't do Tahreef atleast in translations loL ]

      Conclusion : Irrespective of whether you quore your ahadeeth to be weak or sahih they will always be weak and before you start using the " weak " card, please answer the shaikh in the video mentioned under point no. 5 to save "your hallmarks shaikh al Mosaawi's" ego

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  2. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi7 December 2012 at 20:35

    Hahahaha Mujhe mere sawal ka jawab nahi milaa!!! Mere Sawal ka jawab de do, mein aapke book se aapke har Point ka Jawab dun ga Inshallah!!

    And Funny things is that: I NEVER Claimed that Shia is Free from Contradiction, Yet I am getting reply of that(lol)..A Person in Religion who doesn't know how to stand during Prayers Shouldn't talk about Contradiction in others..hahahahaha

    Mera Sawal tha!!

    "prove me how does Ibn Saba is founder of Shiaism!! i have asked this before also but you ran away!!"

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  3. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi8 December 2012 at 18:19

    Assalaamualeykum,

    Here is My reply, I can wait for Omar to answer my question, so ill give him time to answer me, Now Since it my duty to Answer such baseless claim of Omar and to make people aware henceforth I am replying now. And I request Omar to post my reply Immediately.

    REPLY:

    [1. The purpose of sharing the above ahadeeth was not to distinguish weak or saheeh, but to expose how pathetic and dumb the shia'a scholars (muhadith) were to report such baseless and illogical reports despite knowing that other reports contradict this report + not giving an explanation reconciling both the reports as how our scholars or our muhadith give. ]

    Ans:Brother you don't have to worry about such Baseless and Illogical Hadeeth,Such hadeeth are also present in your book in which your DUMB Scholar(muhadith) too didn't gave any explanation...there are many but let's take example of Wives of Solomon.

    H1:100 Wives
    Narrated Abu Huraira:(The Prophet) Solomon son of (the Prophet) David said, “Tonight I will go round (i.e. have sexual relations with) one hundred women (my wives) everyone of whom will deliver a male child who will fight in Allah’s Cause.”(Sahih bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 169:)

    H2:90 Wives
    Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Apostle said, “(The Prophet) Solomon once said, ‘Tonight I will sleep with ninety women, each of whom will bring forth a (would-be) cavalier who will fight in Allah’s Cause.” (Sahih bukhari,Volume 8, Book 78, Number 634)

    H3:70 Wives
    Abu Huraira reported that Sulaiman b. Dawud said: I will certainly have intercourse with seventy wives during the night, and every wife amongst them will give birth to a child, who will fight in the cause of Allah. It was said to him: Say:” Insha’ Allah” (God willing), but he did not say so and forgot it. (Sahih Muslim,Book 015, Number 4069)

    H4:60 Wives
    Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Prophet Solomon who had sixty wives, once said, “Tonight I will have sexual relation (sleep) with all my wives so that each of them will become pregnant and bring forth (a boy who will grow into) a cavalier and will fight in Allah’s Cause.” (Sahih bukhari,Volume 9, Book 93, Number 561)

    Now If you please bring Explanation of Bukhari and Muslim on this Hadeeth..I hope you wont prove them DUMB and Illogical Scholars.(plz not other scholars)
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    2. Even if i had termed the above stories as " Super-Sahih" a sane person would still consider it fabricated. Besides the story line of the dream scenario seems more logical than the ahadeeth itself (Big Lol)


    Ans:Dont make such Claim..such Insane person are also present in your Book....I dont have to prove any Fabricated hadeeth here..your Scholar AL-bani have made a book on fabricated hadeeth which he has took it from your authentic books.
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    1. {{Now If you please bring Explanation of Bukhari and Muslim on this Hadeeth..I hope you wont prove them DUMB and Illogical Scholars.(plz not other scholars)}}

      Lol. If you ever read the sharh for these ahadeeth you would never bring out such feeble "arguments" in the first place.

      1. If you are pointing towards the "contradiction" in Numbers then there is no contradiction at all because if you or your shaikh knew the ABCD of 'Arabic language or its gestures then you would know that "seventy" in arabic is more of a gesture to imply towards a large quantity than a number. Like in Hindi we say " I have done this a 1000 times" here 1000 is not the exact number but a figurative speech

      This is similar to how the prophet (s.a.w) and 'Arabs till date use metaphors and gestures to represent something. for e.g Hamza (r.a) was called Asadullah (Lion of Allah). This was implying to his bravery, courage, valor etc and not him being a 4 legged Lion lol . So the narrations about sulaiman (a.s) wives speak of his great number of wives wherein some ahadeeth have enumerated a specific number and some have rounded the number in a gesture form

      2. If you are confused about how sulaiman (a.s) made a mistake or forgot to do something then again a big LOL at your knowledge. I know shia'as have the aqeeda of a corrupted qur'an so they can neither read nor understand it, hence they don't know that Qur'an itself (which was compiled by "O.U.R" sahaabas has various verses showing how prophets made mistakes. However these mistakes were humanly mistakes and not related to delivering the commandment of Allah

      For a complete part of this hadeeth see : Sahi Bukhari - Volume 8 - Number 634

      3. If you think "how sulaiman (a.s) or etc had so many slave girls or wives then you are very poor in both knowledge and history lol. even the old testament testifies to prophets and people before deen e muhammad's arrival to have multiple number of wives

      In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

      In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

      Allah says " To each among you, we have prescribed a law and a clear way" [Al Maa'idah 5:48]

      So we sunnis have no doubt over such easy to understand ahadeeth unlike your fairy tales :P


      {{Scholar AL-bani have made a book on fabricated hadeeth which he has took it from your authentic books.}}

      that is because we are Ahlal Isnaad i.e people of the Isnaad and we have rules and we do not accept any tom dick and harry as a hadith compiler like kulyaani. If Bukhari , Ibn khuzaima, Al Hanbal, Sufyan al thawri, etc had written " Allah is two" or "Prophet was a female" or any such similar "crap" we would not even bother taking their names , unlike you who have elevated such jokers (your muhadith) and fools filling their books with narrations like this doc , and tahreef and god knows what

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    2. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi12 December 2012 at 00:58

      Ofcourse you Failed to bring explanation from Bukhari and Muslim hence forth you have proved them Dumb and Illogical Scholar, I didn't told you that I need Sheikh Omar Shah explanation.well done!!


      {that is because we are Ahlal Isnaad i.e people of the Isnaad and we have rules and we do not accept any tom dick and harry as a hadith compiler like kulyaani.}

      Hahahah but Bukhari & Muslim has accepted fabricated hadeeth in his Saheeh!! O! I forgot they are DUMB and Illogical Scholars!

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  4. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi8 December 2012 at 18:20

    3 Hajj is one of the Pillars of Islam and even a new revert to Islaam would speak or attribute something to “an infallible successor of prophet(s.a.w)” with CAUTION, let Alone a great so called Muhadith like the above.

    Comparing Hajj to visiting the shrine of al Hussain (a.s) , is like comparing the pilgrimage done for Allah alone, at his house with the grave of Allah's creation. It is not only shameful but a disgrace for such great so called scholars to enlist such fabrications

    Ans:There is NO comparsion of Hajj with Ziyaarat, but there is Comparsion of REWARDS..More Rewards are Preffered for Ziyarah than Hajj in this hadeeth, Now Question arises "WHAT HOW COME SUCH DEEDS EXCEED HAJJ REWARDS?"
    for this let see such thing is possible from Sunni Books

    H1:
    The prophet, peace be upon him, enticed sitting in the place of prayer after the prayer of AlFajr (Dawn) till the raise of the sun. Anas may Allah be pleased with him narrated that the prophetpeace be upon him said: “Whoever prays Al-Fajr in congregation, and then sits to remember Allah till the raise of the sun, and then prays two rakaat, He would have the reward of Haj and Umrah
    completely… completely… completely”
    [Declared authentic by Al-Albani]

    H2:
    Anas Ibn Maalik reports that Rasulullah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) said: “Whoever offers his Fajr salaah in congregation, and then remains seated making the dhikr (remembrance) of Allah until (approximately 15 mins after) sunrise after which he offers two rak’aats of salaah (Ishraaq), will receive the reward of one complete Haj and one complete ‘Umrah”
    (Sunan Tirmidhi, hadith:586 with a sound chain)

    And such reports are many!!
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    1. {{WHAT HOW COME SUCH DEEDS EXCEED HAJJ REWARDS?"}}

      Sorry you got it all wrong. My Question nowhere had mentioned or even remotely implied towards "EQUALING DEEDS OF HAJJ WITH ZIYARAH"

      My question stated or meant how come the Hajj which is done at the Ka'aaba is equated in these terms

      it EQUALS a Hajj and a `Umrah. [source: al-Thawab – Saduq – p86]

      written for you the REWARD of a visit and the visit is equal to a Hajj and a `Umrah. source: al-Kafi – Kulayni – 4/589.

      your own ahadeeth have refuted your excuse. the Question is not about reward but about equalling it with hajj and another hadeeth of yours says " so he (as) kept on increasing until he reached thirty accepted good trips of Hajj with the Prophet (SAWS). source: al-Thawab – Saduq – p94."

      we have a hadeeth wherein the prophet (s.a.w) said "“But the best and most beautiful of Jihaad is an accepted Hajj." and in another narration he said " an accepted hajj has no other reward but paradise" But your narrations equate such a pillar of Islaam with visiting the grave of Al hussain (R.a). No wonder all shia'as are Haajis lol


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    2. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi12 December 2012 at 01:03

      {written for you the REWARD of a visit and the visit is equal to a Hajj and a `Umrah. }

      Such Hadeeth talk about Reward not Equaling Hajj with Ziyarat..

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  5. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi8 December 2012 at 18:21

    4. Now coming to science of hadeeth :

    It is funny how you declare "ALREADY KNOWN TO BE WEAK hadeeth" as "WEAK", Totally missing out the point that shiaism and its books are filled with such (weak) attributions.

    Your shaikh Al Saduq himself testified to this by saying Al Kafi has more than 60% hadeeth to be weak : أنّ الشيخ الصدوق : قدّس سرّه : لم يكن يعتقد صحّة جميع مافي الكافي

    Despite compiling this and other shia books years after the sunni scholars started compiling ahadeeth, they still has a vast majority of its narrations as weak and many more as fabricated and the below examples suffice this :

    Ans:I dont know what is your Purspose by proving me this...Do you remember how I use to prove that all the hadeeth of AL-Kafi is not Authentic..I agree with this..I believe there are NO such free of contradticting book like Quran.

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    {Throwing light on some funny shia'a drunkards oops i mean narrators}

    Ans:Brother before accusing other see your own narrator from whom you take Authentic hadeeth from

    Narrators who where Nasibi:

    Narrator 1:

    Al-Haytham ibn Al-Aswad Al-Nakhei Al-Metheheji, he is from Kufa, he is a poet and Truthful, he used to exhibit Naasb, he belongs to the third generation he died between year 80 and 100 A.H.

    -Taqreeb Al-Tahdeeb. Pg. # 646, Person # 7357.
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    Na`eem bin Abee Hind Ibn Ashim Al-Ashja'ai. Trustworthy and he used to exhibit Nasb, belongs to fourth generation, died in the year 116 A.H.

    Na`eem bin Abee Hind, his name is Al-Numan bin Ashim Al-Ashja'ai Al-Kufi narrated in Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Sunan Aboo Dawood, Sunan Al-Tirmidhi, Sunan Al-Nasa'i, Sunan Ibn Majah Aboo Hatim said: 'Truthful' and his narrations are Reliable. Al-Nasa'i said: 'Trustworthy.' Ibn Hibban mentioned him in Al-Thuqat (Authenticated Ones). Aboo Hatim Al-Razi narrates that Sufyan Al-Thawri had been asked why he didn't narrate from Naeem bin Abi Hind, he (Sufyan) answered: 'He (Naeem) used to bad mouth Alee.' Ibn Saad said: 'He died during Khaalid Al-Qasri's reign and he is 'Authentic.' Ijlli said: 'He is Kufi and Trustworthy.'

    -Taqreeb Al-Tahdeeb. Pg. # 632, Person # 7178.
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    I say: And there are many Nasibi whom Bukhari and Muslim has narrated from..


    Killer of Hussain are considered "Trustwothy"

    Narrator#1:

    Ahmad bin Abdullah Al-Ijlli said: ‘He used to narrate traditions from his father, and the people narrated from him, and he is the one who killed Al-Hussain, and he is Trustworthy Tabi'ee.

    -Tahdeeb Al-Kamal Al-Mizzi. Vol. 21, Pg. # 357.
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    Narrator#2:

    Yazeed wrote to his ruler in Iraq 'Ubayd-Allah ibn Ziyad' for the murder of Hussain.

    -Tarikh Al-Khulafa. Pg. # 125.

    Ubayd Allah ibn Ziyad Ibn Amro, or Amir, Al-Jarmi, Aboo Qelaba Al-Basri: Trustworthy and has many transmitters, Al-Ijlli said: He has a little Nasb, from the third generation,.He died in The middle eastern part of the Mediterranean and was escaping from judiciary in the year 400 A.H and also been said it might be after that.

    Kashaf Al-Dhahabī: His Hadeeth are from Umar, Aboo Huraira, A'isha, Mu'awiyah, and Samurah in Sunan Al-Nasa'i and those are transmitters. Also from Thabet ibn Al-Dhahak, Malik ibn Al-Huwayreth, Anas and those are in the Saheeh. Also from Qutadah and Yahya ibn Abi Kathir and Ay'oob and Khalq, he escaped judiciary and lived in Darayya. Died in 104 A.H or 107 A.H.

    -Taqreeb Al-Tahdeeb. Pg. # 318, Person # 3333.
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    Narrator 3:

    Umar bin Sa'ad, the commander of the troops that fought against Al-Hussain (r.a), then Al-Mukhtar killed him (Umar ibn Sa'ad).

    -Siyar Al-A'lam Al-Nubala. Vol. 4, Pg. # 349 - 350.

    And Shu'aib Al-Arna'ut has authenticated a narration from Umar Ibn Sa'ad as being Hasan (Reliable)!

    -Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal. Vol. 3, Pg. # 82 / 113 / 142.
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    1. Narrators 1 (Haytham and Na'eem):

      Shia sheikh Muhammad Hasan an-Najafi al-Jawhari in his book “Jawaher al-kalam” (vol 6, p 66) quoted other shia scholar saying:

      The Nasibi title is designated (for a person) over five reasons: For a Khariji who criticizes Ali (as); Secondly for he who attributes something that invalidates uprightness (adala) to any of the Imams, Thirdly, for he who denies a virtue of theirs when he heard it;
      Fourthly, for one who believes in the superiority of someone other than Ali (over him); Fifthly, he who denied the report of explicit election of Ali after hearing it or its reaching to him in a manner that allows him to confirm it”.

      So the jarh said "reflects" Nawasib and not Naasibi or which kind of nasibi he is , like how our scholars quoted from many narrators inclined towards shiism (including al bukhaari) and We have many shia'a narrators too in our book but we don't criticize them or reject their hadeeth because of them being shia'a for the shia'as of those times, compared to you now is like white hair on a black background

      Eg see : Jarh on Abu Ghuraif by Ibn Hajar : Taqreeb 4286

      Eg: Abdulsalam bin Salih Al-Harawi: Yahya bin Ma’een said: Thiqa saduq ila anahu yatashayya’.

      Abbad bin Ya’qoub Al-Rawajini:
      Khalid bin Tahman
      Ammar Al-Duhani

      With regards to some individuals accused of Rafidhism (not shia'sm), then their hadeeth are also obtained from other routes(maqroon) therefore their matan is authenticated by some shuyukhs including AL bukhari for e.g

      حدثني سليمان حدثنا شعبة عن الوليد ح"""" و حدثني عباد بن يعقوب الأسدي أخبرنا عباد بن العوام عن الشيباني عن الوليد""" بن العيزار عن أبي عمرو الشيباني عن ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه
      ....

      Let's take a look at shia'a lords of Rijaal authenticating a Naasibi

      Al-Najashi one of your lords and the biggest scholar of Rijal has authenticated one of the most famous Nasibis and enemies of Ahlul-Bayt in his book “Rijal al-Najashi” page 443:

      يحيى بن سعيد القطان أبو زكريا

      Yahya bin Sa’eed al-Qattan (abu Zakariya) is considered Thiqah(trustworthy) by al-Najashi:

      يحيى بن سعيد القطان
      أبو زكريا، عامي، ثقة

      “Yahya bin Sa’eed al-Qattan, Commoner(Sunni), Thiqah“

      Now what does Ayatullah Muhammad al-Sanad say about Imam Yahya in his book “al-Ijtihad wal-Taqleed fi ‘ilm al-Rijal” page 317:
      يحيى هذا من النواصب

      “This Yahya is from the Nawasib”

      عداوة يحيى بن سعيد لأهل البيت و حقده عليهم , و قد طعن في عشرات الرواة لأنهم يتشيعون أو لأن عندهم هوى التشيع

      “Yahya bin Sa’eed had enmity towards Ahlul-Bayt and he had a grudge against them, he attacked many narrators because they had some shi’ism or because they leaned towards it”

      SO ON AND SO FORTH. Cont in the next comment.

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    2. Part 2 : Comment 5.b

      Ibn Babaveyh al-Qummi in his “Kamal ad-den” (1/82-83) wrote:

      Narrated to us my teacher, Muhammad bin Hasan bin Ahmad bin Walid that he said: I heard Saad bin Abdullah say: Neither we have seen or heard about any Shia person leaving the Shia faith and adopting Nasibi beliefs, except for Ahmad bin Hilal. And it is the view of these people that it is not lawful to use a traditional report narrated solely by Ahmad bin Hilal.

      But this narrator Ahmad ibn Hilal could be easily found in shia books. Examples :

      1) “Tahzib al-ahkam” Shaykh Toose 6/48: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1020.html ; twice at 3/37, and once at 3/175: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1017.html

      2) “Mustadrak al-wasail” Mirza Noore 11/37: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1099.html; 9/347: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1097.html ; 8/277: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1096.html;

      3) Ibn Babaveyh himself narrated from him in “al-Imamam wal tabsera” p 35 : http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/09/no0978.html

      4) “Wasail ush shia” by Hurr al-Amili, twice in volume 24, at pages 51, and 174 : http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1062.html; 7 times in volume 4, at page 40, 198, 325, 326, 376, 433, 448: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1042.html

      Now your own scholars put nasibis as trustworthy at several places LOL


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      Narrator # 2 : Ubayd Allah ibn Ziyad Ibn Amro, or Amir, Al-Jarmi, Aboo Qelaba Al-Basri

      you have misunderstood the name. You have firstly named the narrator wrong, his correct name is: "Ubayd Allaah ibn ZAYD (not Ziyaad) Ibn Amr al-Jarmi, Abu Qilaabah al-Basari".

      He is the famous Taabi'ee, Imaam and Muhaddith. He is not the one whom Yazeed wrote the letter.

      The one whom Yazeed wrote was: "Ubaydullah bin "ZIYAAAD" bin Abi Sufyaan"

      Narrator # 3 : 'Umar bin Sa'ad

      Sa'ad ibn abi waqqas (r.a) was forced to enter into battle with al Hussain (r.a). when ubaidullah asked him to fight he (umar) refused and said hated fighting. but then ubaidullah threatned to destory his house, etc etc and under threats or sucha condition Allah does not hold someone accountable. For a detail study on this (In arabic not persian) with references see : http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=270546

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    3. WARNING : THE FOLLOWING COMEDY MAY BE INJURIOUS TO YOUR HEALTH

      EXPOSING AND HUMILIATING THE SO CALLED " USOOL AL HADEETH" OF THE RAFIDAH !

      Battle Mode : Activated [ :P ]
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      1. Jabir Al-Joufy جابر الجعفی

      روى سبعين ألف حديث عن الباقر عليه السلام وروى مائة وأربعين ألف حديث والظاهر أنه ماروى بطريق المشافهة عن الأئمة عليهم السلام. وسائل الشیعة 151.20

      Al-Hur Al-Amili in Wasael Al-Shia 20/151 says:

      He narrated 70,000 Hadeeths from Al-Baqir (peace be upon him) and 140,000 from other Imams. It appears that he didn’t narrate through dictation from the Imams.

      Met Imam Baqir (rah) only once and never met Imam Jafar (rah):

      سألت أبا عبد الله عليه السلام عن أحاديث جابر ؟ فقال ما رأيته عند أبي قط إلا مرة واحدة، وما دخل علي قط رجال کشی ص191

      Narrated by Zurarah ibn A’yan: I asked Abu Abdullah (as) about the hadiths of Jabir Al-Jafy, he replied: I saw him only once with my father and he never met me.[Rijal Kashi p:191]

      Comment: This man after meeting Imam Baqir (rah) only once narrates 40,000 Hadeeths and he never met Imam Jafar Sadiq (rah). This means Imam Jafar Sadiq (rah) does’nt know him.

      2. Zurarah bin A’yan زرارة بن أعين

      A very very very famous narrator in shia'a books and needs no introduction to your "wise" shaikh :P

      What Imam Jafar Sadiq (rah) said about him:

      عن ليث المرادي قال: سمعت ابا عبد الله عليه السلام يقول: لا يموت زرارة الا تائها.

      From al-Layth al-Mardi: I heard Abu Abdullah (alaihi salam) said: “Zurarah wouldn’t die except as a lost one”. [Ihtiyar marifatul rijal p.170]

      Zurarah is cursed by Imam Jafar Sadiq (rah):

      قال أبو عبد الله : (ما أحدث أحد في الإسلام ما أحدث زرارة بن أعين من البدع عليه لعنة الله. رجال الكشي ص 149

      No one has brought innovation to Islam like Zurarah did, may Allah curse him. [Rijal Al-Kashi p:149]

      In Al Kaafi volume #1, at page 330, we can see such sentence wherein kulyani narrates something and says this is from ONE of my shaikhs FROM OUR COMPANIONS whose name I forgot and he said from SOMEONE that ….. (hahaha what joke is this ? such a great muhadith writing something like this lol)

      I CAN GO ON AND ON :P

      The Big Scholar Al Ha’iri “الحائري” In His book Muktabas el Athar “مقتبس الأثر” part 3 page 73 says:

      ومن المعلومات التي لا يشك فيها أحد أنه لم يصنف في دراية الحديث من علمائنا قبل الشهيد الثاني

      “From the Information that No One doubts is that No one worked in The Science of Hadith from our scholars before the second Shaheed”

      And the second Shaheed is Al Hassan Bin ZaynulDeen al Jab’ee al Amili “الحسن بن زين الدين الجبعي العاملي ” (Died 965 hijri).

      HAHAHA approximately 600 years Later did the usool e hadeeth classes start and the proof of this is the following JOKE from Al Kaafi :

      Cont. in comment 5.d

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    4. Al Kaafi volume 1, page 237 there is this narration:

      Ali bin abi Talib RAA was told that the Prophet’s donkey, Ufair, committed suicide! So Ali said: That donkey spoke to the Prophet ASWS, he said: May my father and mother be sacrificed for you, my father told me, that his father told him, that his grandfather told him, that his father was with Noah ASWS on the arc, so Noah ASWS approached him and wiped over his back and said: from the offspring of this donkey there will come a donkey which will be ridden by the best and final prophet.

      Ufair then said: so Alhamdulillah, that He made me this donkey.

      How to apply the science of Hadith to this narration is actually a mystery, It doesn’t even classify as weak or Hassan … Why would a respectable scholar Like Kulayni include such a narration into his book? I believe most of us know the answer by now…

      Your own top notch scholar (Allama al Muhajir) in the Karbala Hawza , agrees quoting donkeys as a hadeeth narrator plus accepting something more funny about al kaafi :

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M4QRdQlDZOg

      Plus AYADOLLAR SHAITAN AL KHOMENI SAID IT IS OKAY TO NARRATE HADEETH FROM DONKEYS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUSTWORTHY PLUS THIS HADEETH IS ABSOLUTELY LOGICAL :

      Screen shot :

      http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/DONKEY.jpg

      Can you please ask khomeni that how long do donkeys live coz the donkey in this narration mentioned his grandfather at nooh (as)’s time LOL . Note: The objection is on donkey being a narrator :P
      Since we're doing analysis of a chain of donkeys, Ilm-ur-rijaal will not do anymore... we need Ilm-ul-Humur! Lol


      The Science of Hadith was so important and got so developed by the early muslims that Abdullah Ibn al mubarak (died 181h) said “Isnad is from Religion, without it whoever can say whatever he wishes

      In Wasael el Shia 30/258 The Scholar Al Hurr al Amili (died 1104 h) says That The Only reason for writing the Isnad is because They were being accused by the Sunnah of Making up the Hadiths and attributing them to the Imams.

      ( والذي لم يعلم ذلك منه ، يعلم أنه طريق إلى رواية أصل الثقة الذي نقل الحديث منه ، والفائدة في ذكره مجرد التبرك باتصال سلسلة المخاطبة اللسانيّة ، ودفع تعيير العامة الشيعة بأن أحاديثهم غير معنعنة ، بل منقولة من أصول قدمائهم ) ، المصدر : وسائل الشيعة

      Lol so you wrote the isnaad only to save yourself from the accusations and not to learn authentic teachings. Big Lol

      You have narrators that come from the sky, that commit suicide, god knows what All. Had I the time and need of entertainment, I would have deeply studied your science, but since I want good for my hereafter, I try to study the sunni science

      THE FACT IS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE NO USOOL AND YOUR BOOKS AND PRACTICES ARE A PROOF TO THIS :)

      AND UNLESS YOU HAVE NO USOOL OF YOURS YOU STAND NOWHERE IN UNDERSTANDING EVEN THE BASICS OF OUR USOOLS. So before you " throw me page numbers and english translations, refute my points or accept that your very first comment " weak hadeeth" was nothing but an escape excuse route"


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    5. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi13 December 2012 at 14:05

      {Shia sheikh Muhammad Hasan an-Najafi al-Jawhari in his book “Jawaher al-kalam” (vol 6, p 66) quoted other shia scholar saying:}

      First of all, Proving what Shia believe in Nasibism wont change your believe in Nasibism look what your Scholars says about Nasibi:

      We read the following in the margin of Imam Dhahabi’s famed book Siyar Alam al-Nubala (Vol 4 page 37) by Shaykh Shu’aib al-Arnaout:

      من الناصبية وهم المنافقون المتدينون ببغضة علي رضي الله عنه ، سموا بذلك لأنهم نصبوا له وعادوه

      “From Nasibiyah, there comes Nasibi and they are hypocrites, they have made the hate of Ali as their religion. This name was given to them because they have made the hate of Ali as their aim of life (Nasbu) and had enmity for him”


      -Secondly There are Narrator which are Consider "Trustworthy" if they are Nasibi and Killer of Hussain(as) regardless their some narration are considered due to Matn..

      -Thirdly your Claim that Bukhari authenticate due to Matn if narrator is Nasibi, if that is So,then why he did not narrate from any Weak Chain with acceptable matn accd to him.Hence it reuftue you claim.

      -Fourthly It is NO BIG deal if there is Nasibi narrating hadeeth in your Religion,since your Caliph Muawiyah is their Leader,Now you cant says Bukhari and Muslim didn't consider him trustworthy.

      Proof:

      Shaykh 'Imad al-Din Ibn Kathir, may Allah be merciful to him, said:...The Umayyad caliphs were like that ...All of them (i.e. the Umayyad caliphs) were NASIBIS except Imam ‘Umar The Pious:. Mu’awiyah, then his son Yazid,then his grandson Mu’awiyah al-Sadid,Marwan, then his son ‘Abd al-Malik ..

      -Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah,Vol 17,Pg 375


      Here is another big Nasibi who Bukhari Narrates from,

      In Al-Bidayah al-Nihayah, Volume 8 page 259 Ibn Kathir states:

      ولما كان متوليا على المدينة لمعاوية كان يسب عليا كل جمعة على المنبر،

      “When Marwan was a governor of Mu’awiya in Madina, he used to curse Ali on each Friday from the pulpit” .


      So Conclusion, By using strategy that Bukhari use to authenticate via Matn is baseless, since Bukhari use to narrate from Caliph who was their leader of Nasibisim hence it is no big deal if some Narrator do have Nasb in them.
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    6. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi13 December 2012 at 14:05

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      Your Claim: on Yahya bin Sa’eed al-Qattan

      {Let's take a look at shia'a lords of Rijaal authenticating a Naasibi

      Al-Najashi one of your lords and the biggest scholar of Rijal has authenticated one of the most famous Nasibis and enemies of Ahlul-Bayt in his book “Rijal al-Najashi” page 443}

      Firstly,He is Sunni, and because of sunni our Narration is no longer remain Saheeh, it is consider "Muwaththaq"

      Secondly,He is NOT a NASIBI accd to Najashi, and Najashi who died 450AH is considered the oldest and most authentic Shia scholar of `ilm al-Rijal,and his saying are taken utmost if there is some contradict with narrators.And we cannot rely on scholar who is born in 1382 AH if we have View of early scholar.

      Thirdly, Mohammad al-Sindi even if he consider him Nasibi,he does not consider him Trustworthy.

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      {Ibn Babaveyh al-Qummi in his “Kamal ad-den” (1/82-83) wrote:

      Narrated to us my teacher, Muhammad bin Hasan bin Ahmad bin Walid that he said: I heard Saad bin Abdullah say: Neither we have seen or heard about any Shia person leaving the Shia faith and adopting Nasibi beliefs, except for Ahmad bin Hilal. And it is the view of these people that it is not lawful to use a traditional report narrated solely by Ahmad bin Hilal.

      Now your own scholars put nasibis as trustworthy at several places LOL}

      This is wrong,Ofcourse he narrated from Nasibies but didn't consider him Trustworthy see the Proof:

      "Sheikh Sadooq Says after narrating this hadeeth in Kamaaluddin wa Tamaamun Ni’ma

      My father narrated to us from Muhammad bin Yahya Attar from Muhammad bin Ahmad bin Yahya bin Imran Ashari from Ahmad bin Hilal from Muhammad bin Abdullah bin Zurarah from his father who said: When Zurarah sent his son, Ubaid, to Medina to inquire about the report and it was after the demise of Abu Abdillah (Imam Ja’far Sadiq a.s.), his condition became serious he took the Quran and said: “My Imam is only the one, whose Imamate this Quran will prove.”

      Sheikh Sadooq says: And this narration does not say that Zurarah was not having recognition of the Imam. Moreover, the narrator of this report is Ahmad bin Hilal and this person is not reliable in the view of our senior scholars."

      Henceforth He Reject the Tradition in which Ahmed bin Hilal has narrated.

      Even Sheikh Toosi don't consider him "Trustworthy"

      Sheikh at-Toosi mentioned Ahmad bin Hilal as one of Imam al-Askari's companions. He was of bad beliefs and no one regarded his narrations. The Imam (a.s.) dispraised him and declared that he was free from him. He wrote to al-Qassim bin al-Ala’, ‘Our order has come to you about the liar ibn Hilal, may Allah have no mercy on him. He -may Allah neither forgive his sins nor may He pardon his slips-often interfered in our affairs with no permission or satisfaction from us. He was opinionated and he refrained from our dues. He did not carry out our orders except what he liked and wanted. May Allah take him to the fire of Hell. We were patient with him until Allah cut off his life after our pray. We had informed some people of our followers about him at that time-may Allah have no mercy on him. There are some people who do not quit him. Make al-Issaqi-may Allah keep him and his family safe-know what we have informed you about the status of this sinner, and make whoever asked about him from the people of his village and other villages know that, and tell whoever deserves to know that. He shall not be excused even by our followers in suspecting what our reliable companions have narrated from us…’
      This tradition shows that this man was deviant. He died in 267 AH.

      Mu'jam Rijal al-Hadith, vol. 2 p.367.
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    7. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi13 December 2012 at 14:11

      {Narrator # 2 : Ubayd Allah ibn Ziyad Ibn Amro, or Amir, Al-Jarmi, Aboo Qelaba Al-Basri

      you have misunderstood the name. You have firstly named the narrator wrong, his correct name is: "Ubayd Allaah ibn ZAYD (not Ziyaad) Ibn Amr al-Jarmi, Abu Qilaabah al-Basari".

      He is the famous Taabi'ee, Imaam and Muhaddith. He is not the one whom Yazeed wrote the letter.

      The one whom Yazeed wrote was: "Ubaydullah bin "ZIYAAAD" bin Abi Sufyaan"}

      Yes! I am Sorry I misunderstood here!!


      Narrator # 3 : 'Umar bin Sa'ad

      {Sa'ad ibn abi waqqas (r.a) was forced to enter into battle with al Hussain (r.a).}

      Now this is Laughable Comment, I have to say bad Defense!

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      1. Jabir Al-Joufy جابر الجعفی

      -Brother about Jabir give me some time,I need to research on him.

      Once again i would like to say such case are present in every religion,If you want example in your case just say.

      {2. Zurarah bin A’yan زرارة بن أعين}

      “The simple reason why Zurarah is still accepted by the Shiah as the most prolific and reliable because, all hadeeth against Zurarah are not authentic and has been considered weak by Al-Khoei, He has investigated in depth in his book Mu'jam Rijal al-Hadith, Volume 8 page 245

      he quote Saheeh hadeeth in Prasie of Zurarah

      Hadeeth #1:

      حدثني حمدويه بن نصير ، قال : حدثنا يعقوب بن يزيد ، عن محمد بن أبي عمير ، عن جميل بن دراج ، قال : سمعت أبا عبد الله عليه السلام يقول : بشر المخبتين بالجنة : بريد بن معاوية العجلي ، وأبا بصير ليث بن البختري المرادي ، ومحمد بن مسلم ، وزرارة ، أربعة نجباء أمناء الله على حلاله وحرامه ، لولا هؤلاء انقطعت آثار النبوة واندرست

      Jami bin Daraj said: ‘I heard Abu Abdullah (a) saying ‘Give glad tidings to the humble ones of Paradise, Buraid bin Abi Mu'awyia al-Ejli, Abu Basir Laith bin al-Bakhtari al-Muradi, Muhammad bin Muslim and Zurara, four pious and faithful to Allah in (the matters of) Halal and Haram, without them the prophetic traditions would have been lost’’.

      Source:Mu'jam Rijal al-Hadeeth by Khoie,Vol 4,Pg 197
      Grading:Khoie:"Saheeh"


      حمدويه قال حدثني محمد بن عيسى بن عبيد ويعقوب بن يزيد عن ابن ابي عمير عن ابي العباس البقباق عني ابي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: أربعة أحب الناس إلى أحياءا وأمواتا ، بريد بن معاوية العجلي ، وزرارة بن اعين ، ومحمد بن مسلم ، وأبوجعفر الأحول ، أحب الناس إلي أحياءا وأمواتا

      Imam Jaffar al-Sadiq said: ‘Four people are the most lovable to me during their lives and after their deaths. Buraid bin Mu'awyia al-Ejli, Zurara bin Ayun, Muhammad bin Muslim and Abu Jaffar al-Ahwal, they are the most lovable people to me during their lives and after their deaths.’

      Source:Mu'jam Rijal al-Hadeeth by Khoie,Vol 18,Pg 268
      Grading:Khoie:"Saheeh"
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    8. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi13 December 2012 at 14:13

      {Al Kaafi volume 1, page 237 there is this narration:

      Ali bin abi Talib RAA was told that the Prophet’s donkey, Ufair, committed suicide! So Ali said: That donkey spoke to the Prophet ASWS, he said: May my father and mother be sacrificed for you, my father told me, that his father told him, that his grandfather told him, that his father was with Noah ASWS on the arc, so Noah ASWS approached him and wiped over his back and said: from the offspring of this donkey there will come a donkey which will be ridden by the best and final prophet.

      Ufair then said: so Alhamdulillah, that He made me this donkey.

      How to apply the science of Hadith to this narration is actually a mystery, It doesn’t even classify as weak or Hassan … Why would a respectable scholar Like Kulayni include such a narration into his book? I believe most of us know the answer by now…}


      First of all, here is chain of Narration of this hadeeth:
      9 - محمد بن الحسين وعلي بن محمد، عن سهل بن زياد، عن محمد بن الوليد شباب الصيرفي، عن أبان بن عثمان، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال:

      Here is correct Translation:

      Ali,has said, ‘The first one of the animals that died was
      ‘Ufayr which died within the hour that the Messenger of Allah died. He broke off the rope that bound him and began to run until he came to the well of banu Khatmah in Quba and threw himself into it and it became his grave.’ It is narrated that (Amir al-Mu’minin) Ali, recipient of divine supreme covenant, said, ‘The donkey spoke to the Messenger of Allah saying, “May Allah keep my soul and the soul of my parents in service for your cause, my father related to me from his father from his grandfather from his father who lived with Noah in the Ark. Once Noah came to him and touched him on his back and said, “From the descendents of this donkey there will be a donkey on
      whose back the master and the last of the prophets will ride. I thank Allah who has made me that donkey.’”


      There are no donkey here, Donkey part come in between the narration that too he Talk with Prophet(sawas) and does not narrated any hadeeth. And suicide part is no where present it is your addition to decisive the people,

      {He broke off the rope that bound him and began to run until he came to the well of banu Khatmah in Quba and threw himself into it and it became his grave.’}

      This part does not prove he committed suicide!! Animal do not have Aql, this is what people narrate when you see some animal doing such thing, you don't know what is the cause, may be he may have become mad!!

      Secondly Hadeeth is weak!!

      Thirdly!! There is NO Doubt Animal do Talk with Prophet, Only Kafirs Doubt Prophet..

      Here is hadeeth where Cow and Wolf narrate,

      The two sheikhs mentioned that Abu Hurayra had said: “Prophet Muhammad (S) offered the Fajr prayer, came in front of people and said: “Once there was a man leading his cow. He rode it and beat it. The cow said: We were not created to be beaten but for plowing!” People said: “Praise the Lord! A cow speaks!” The Prophet (S) said: “We believe in that; me, Abu Bakr and Omar, although they, both, are not here. Also there was a man grazing his sheep. The wolf came and took one of them. The man followed the wolf and saved the sheep. The wolf said to the man: “You saved it from me! Who will save it if the lion comes one day to take it, when there will be no keeper for it but me?” people said: “Praise the Lord! A wolf speaks!” The Prophet (S) said: “We believe in this; me, Abu Bakr and Omar, although they, both, are not here.”
      -Sahih Muslim,Vol 2,Pg 316-317

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    9. REPLY TO COMMENT 5.E & 5.H

      {{9 - محمد بن الحسين وعلي بن محمد، عن سهل بن زياد، عن محمد بن الوليد شباب الصيرفي، عن أبان بن عثمان، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال:}}

      This is another hadeeth with another sanad and another translation/matan. The one i quoted was in Al Kaafi and elsewhere with the following 'Arabic

      وروي أن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام قال: إن ذلك الحمار كلم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فقال: بأبي أنت وامي إن أبي حدثنى، عن أبيه، عن جده، عن أبيه أنه كان مع نوح في السفينة فقام إليه نوح فمسح على كفله ثم قال: يخرج من صلب هذا الحمار حمار يركبه سيد النبيين وخاتمهم، فالحمد لله الذي جعلني ذلك الحمار

      can you see the word : ""إن ذلك الحما"" and then can you see the narration starting from " : بأبي أنت وامي إن أبي حدثنى " , this is the start of the narration , whereas the one you gave is different.

      I told you " talking is not an objection" please re-read the comments. They are in English :P

      {{We read the following in the margin of Imam Dhahabi’s famed book Siyar Alam al-Nubala (Vol 4 page 37) by Shaykh Shu’aib al-Arnaout:}}

      I gave you definitions of nawasib from your own books and scholars and the definition changes as per time. Like how shia'as back then were only liars but today are zorastrians. You guys even call a sparrow , watermelon and etc a nasibi lol

      {{if that is So,then why he did not narrate from any Weak Chain with acceptable matn }}

      haha, what a refute :P Do you even know what makes a chain strong? The people whom you call Nasibis (in the sanad) are not nasibi but they "reflect" nasibism. there is a huge difference and i have ALREADY EXPLAINED ABOVE HOW WE HAVE ALSO TAKEN NARRATIONS FROM PEOPLE REFLECTING TASHEE (AHLE TASHEE). Please study the sciences or try to remove 95% of your blasphemous and illogical ahadeeth in your books before jumping to ours. Najlugh balagh has no sanad at all and so many scholars have tried over the years to get the sanad for some narrations. you have such a famous book which ever tom dick and shia knows by heart WITHOUT A SANAD lol and you are talking to me about ilm e rijaal


      {{So Conclusion, By using strategy that Bukhari use to authenticate via Matn is baseless, since Bukhari use to narrate from Caliph who was their leader of Nasibisim hence it is no big deal if some Narrator do have Nasb in them.}}

      What about your hadeeth wherein nasibis are called thiqah lol as proven above? and also liars and homosexual narrator are present lol. You guys even call a sparrow and a watermelon nasibi hahaha and i have shown you the videos multiple times lol.. Your Ayamutahs are dummer than an Ufair (the donkey who narrates in Al Kaafi) lol

      Look at your narration yet again contradicting and humiliating your "so called claims on ilm e rijaal"

      Al Hassanu Wal Hussain yusallaina khalf marwaan ....

      Majlisi in "Bihar" with reference to "Nawadeer" of Rawandi: With chain from Mosa ibn Jafar, from his fathers: "Hasan and Hussein prayed behind Marwan ibn al-Hakam ". One of them (who were present) asked: Your father (then) prayed (again that pray) when he returned to his house?" (Imam replied): No, by Allah, he didn't add (anything) to (that) his pray".

      Screenshot: http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r551/omarshah29/HassanandHussainprayedbehindAlMarwaanalhaakim.jpg

      Note: Al Bidaya wal Nihaaya is a tareekh book, and not all quotes are sahih in it. Please start following hadeeth instead of history books in religion. Every other shia'a debates starting with the word" do you even know history?..." LOL

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    10. REPLY TO COMMENT 5. F

      I DARE YOU TO DEBATE IN THE GROUP ! THIS IS A BLOG POST NOT A RETALIATION CENTER. THE GROUP WALL IS OPEN AND ANYONE CAN SEE OUR DEBATE. Your shaikh can join too :P

      {{He is NOT a NASIBI accd to Najashi, and Najashi who died 450AH is considered the oldest and most authentic Shia scholar of `ilm al-Rijal}}

      lol. another example of contradictory 'Ilm e donkey rijaal lol

      {{And we cannot rely on scholar who is born in 1382 AH if we have View of early scholar}}

      How about tahreef then ;) Ouchhhh:P shia's first book itself is flooded with tahreef with millios of tafaaseer and ayamutahs following this creed lol . Yet the khalaaf do taqiyah (lie) to avoid being declared as a "Kaafir" out loud :P but we still have many videos of ayadollars shouting out loud how al mehdi will bring the final copy and so on and so forth lol

      {{,Ofcourse he narrated from Nasibies }}

      someone had an issue when our scholars narrated from people who "reflected" nasibism and when shia'a scholars gave "different definitions" of a nasibi lol H.I.L.L.A.R.I.O.U.S . PLUS this narrator is found in sooooo many ahadeeth as MENTIONED IN COMMENT 5.b

      So before you question us, throw away your trash narrations and all nasibi narrators out of your books :D

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      I DARE YOU TO DEBATE IN THE GROUP :p

      {{Now this is Laughable Comment, I have to say bad Defense!}}

      yes maybe because you cannot read arabic lol or maybe coz you are used to your ayamutta's defense techniques such as

      "so what if all our books are filled with 80% weak, rejected, funny, illogical, blasphemous narrations, so what if our scholars started usool e hadeeth much later and our hadeeth books were also compiled much much later, so what if our religion is based on hatred and if a women with a beard would kill our mehdi ( i have the video for this lol) , so what if we have such few hadeeth attributed to the prophet s.a.w that we can count them on fingers, so what if any of our infallible imaams didn't write his own book verified and agreed upon by the shia ummah, we are still lovers of ahle bait " LOL

      {Once again i would like to say such case are present in every religion,If you want example in your case just say.}}

      if you are talking about abu huraira (r.a) then bring it on, but on the group :D

      {{all hadeeth against Zurarah are not authentic and has been considered weak by Al-Khoei}}

      hahahahahahaha DID YOU JUST SAY WEAK? did you?? did you , a follower of a religion whose ilm e rijaal and science of hadeeth is worse than a rotten apple , say something to be weak ? :P SHIAS SAYING WEAK OR NOT DOESN'T COUNT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SUCH RULES OR A DEFINITION. STOP DREAMING. shias saying a narration to be weak is like THE WEST SAYING WE LOVE PEACE (ROFL)

      Besides in Rijaal l kaashi this same Zurara is cursed and quoted weak and you yourself said in comment in 5.F

      "And we cannot rely on scholar who is born in 1382 AH if we have View of early scholar"

      LOL then why are you following khoe' who allowed sex change operations? Proof : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3FCO6x9as

      See my comment 5.c for more jokes on shia'a ilm e rijaal and narrators





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    12. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi13 December 2012 at 23:15

      LOL Your all replies are just another Blame Game the one you have done PHD in!! with No Answer !! :D

      here is reply with only reply you have given:

      {This is another hadeeth with another sanad and another translation/matan. The one i quoted was in Al Kaafi and elsewhere with the following 'Arabic }

      Hahahah Here is the Link:
      http://tinyurl.com/cbeqsfj

      It is Same Hadeeth, ie Hadeeth No 9, and Donkey's Part is at Pg no 237.

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    13. What seems to be the objection here? i have quoted the same matn as the one you are giving , except that i have only quoted a part of it and here you are acting as if it is totally different hadeeth lol (even though the english translation is the same)

      See here:

      My hadeeth (which i gave) :

      روى أن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام قال إن ذلك الحمار كلم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فقال بأبي أنت وأمي ان أبى حدثني

      Source 1 : http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8/1590_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%B9-%D8%A3%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AB-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%8A%D8%B9%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D8%AC-%D9%A1%D9%A6/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_877

      Source 2 (of Allama Al Majlisi) : http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8/1448_%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AC%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%8A-%D8%AC-%D9%A1%D9%A7/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_407

      Source 3 (Kulyani's): http://www.yasoob.org/books/htm1/m012/09/no0979.html

      The one you gave me is for the kulyani version but see source 3 and other sources, the same hadeeth with a diff sanad is there . Please grow up , the matn i quoted was correct.

      And whenever you think I haven't answered you then see this :

      http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/DONKEY.jpg

      Can you please ask khomeni that how long do donkeys live coz the donkey in this narration mentioned his grandfather at nooh (as)’s time LOL . Note: The objection is on donkey being a narrator :P
      Since we're doing analysis of a chain of donkeys, Ilm-ur-rijaal will not do anymore... we need Ilm-ul-Humur! Lol

      NOW WILL YOU PLEASE ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE AND JOIN THE GROUP? WHY ARE AFRAID?

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  6. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi8 December 2012 at 18:22

    Now on your this Topic:

    THE TRUTH ABOUT SHIA'A MUSTALAHAL AL HADEETH

    Yes I believe among all hadeeth which can be considerd Saheeh and Mo'tabar it's ratio 1/5...

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    5. Your eminent scholar “ Shaikh Mohammed al Mosawi” known as “ Hallmark” in the shia world (as named by al Koorani) was asked a simple question in a live debate and that was to mention the conditions of a hadeeth to be sahih according to shia principles and then PROVE ONE HADEETH TO BE SAHIH AS PER THIS CONDITION . obviously he couldn’t answer, once again proving how feeble and corrupt are shia in their own man made religion .Proof of Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NbGpm_PzHI

    6. Apparently another Ayadollar (Ayatollah) in a large (too large) crowd near the grave of Al Hussain (r.a) addresses the crowd TESTIFYING THAT VISITING HUSSAIN’S GRAVE IS LIKE VISITING ALLAH’S THRONE : Proof : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TArwi3NxmGE


    Ans: It funny how daringly you quote such Claim to Shia Scholars...Since when i claim that they are Infalliable..ofcourse they can make mistake and can rely weak hadeeth and can address to the people...but this doesnt make your scholar to be masoom...brother did you even for Once think of your scholars before qutoing others...are your scholar not doing the same things..insipite knowing FACT that Quran and Sunnah hadeeth is Fabricated yet you hear this hadeeth from your scholars mouth addressing to their people every now and then.and such example are many..so what's the problem, if some shia does the same thing.Every Man is responsible for his action..

    And for your debate wala Video, hahahah even if he says something worng and say cant answer a question, so what it is going to effect my Belief..if you want to show's how ignorant Scholar is, then are you putting cloth to your scholar ignorance, like your scholar was proving Muhammed ibn hasan(as) al-Mahdi to be imagnery but he was not knowing his scholar proved his existence already...and i can prove you many..so such case are there everywhere..

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    {{"Produce your proof, if you should be truthful." (2:111)}}

    "But" if you are... [Don't do Tahreef atleast in translations loL ]

    Please dont embarace yourself and show your Ignorance
    http://quran.com/2/111
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    1. {{if you want to show's how ignorant Scholar is, then are you putting cloth to your scholar ignorance, like your scholar was proving Muhammed ibn hasan(as) al-Mahdi to be imagnery but he was not knowing his scholar proved his existence already...and i can prove you many..so such case are there everywhere.. }}

      when you call someone as "our scholar" then know two things

      1. we don't do taqleed of any scholar and we have rejected the fatwas of bigger scholars like abu hanifa and etc against the Qur'an and hadeeth , so if our scholar makes a mistake we "acknowledge it" unlike how you hide the kaafirs who openly went around bombarding their books and lectures of "tahreef" in Qur'an and comparing Allah with ahle bait and other sort of kufr and shirq

      2. Those "fools" whom you call or label as "our" scholars ARE NOT OUR SCHOLARS. The Muslim Ummah is divided (unfortunately but according to Qadr) and hence we have seen the worst of so called scholars, hence every Tom dick and PAADRI , cannot and will not be OUR SCHOLAR !

      Praise be to Allah for destroying the rafidah religion via every kid next door !

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    2. Aquib Mehdi Rizvi13 December 2012 at 14:16

      {when you call someone as "our scholar" then know two things

      1. we don't do taqleed of any scholar and we have rejected the fatwas of bigger scholars like abu hanifa and etc against the Qur'an and hadeeth , so if our scholar makes a mistake we "acknowledge it" unlike how you hide the kaafirs who openly went around bombarding their books and lectures of "tahreef" in Qur'an and comparing Allah with ahle bait and other sort of kufr and shirq

      2. Those "fools" whom you call or label as "our" scholars ARE NOT OUR SCHOLARS. The Muslim Ummah is divided (unfortunately but according to Qadr) and hence we have seen the worst of so called scholars, hence every Tom dick and PAADRI , cannot and will not be OUR SCHOLAR !}


      Hahahaha Again Typical Ignorant Style I say! What do you know about Taqleed, let me say this way how many book you have read on Shia way of Taqleed, I am Sure ZERO books, because if you have read, such Ignorance wont come out of your mouth, WE DONT BLIND FOLLOW ANY ONE execpt Aimmah and Prophet..even we reject many thing from our scholar which are against Quran and Sunnah of prophet..

      {Praise be to Allah for destroying the rafidah religion via every kid next door !}

      Yes! by Ignorant, Well Done!
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      Lastly,I conclude,A person need not Shout and spread ignorance if he don't have complete Knowledge of both the Religion,A Person who accuse our Rijal System and hadeeth, have no Idea how they take hadeeth from their own books,Our Foundation was made by Prophet and our Roots are Ahlulbayt and we consider them our Caliph and we take authentic hadeeth from them only, Unlike their Foundation which is made up of Caliph who fought Ali, Person who kept hatred with Ali, Person who killed Hussain,Kharijii and No wonder who.Then there are Scholar in them who consider a Commoner most knowledgeable then Ahlulbayt..eg:

      Ibn Taymiyya says:

      "Verily Al-Zuhri is more knowledgeable about the Prophetic hadeeths, statements and actions than Aboo Ja'far Muhammad bin Alee and the scholars agreed on that, and (al-Zuhri) was a contemporary for the Prophet (saw).

      However regarding Musa bin Ja'far, Alee bin Musa and Muhammad bin Alee, no one among those who possess knowledge doubt that Malik bin Anas, Hamaad bin Zaid, Hamaad bin Salama, Al-Laith bin Saad, Al-Awzaei, Yahya bin Saeed, W'akei bin Al-Jarah, Abdullah bin Al-Mubarak, Al-Shaf'i, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Ishaq bin Rahwei and others were more knowledgeable about the Prophetic hadeeth than them."

      Source: Minhaj Al-Sunnah. Vol. 2, Pg. # 460 - 461 - 462.

      May Allah Curse them who try teach Ahlulbayt. Ameen.

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    3. See comment no. 7 : Open challenge for you :D

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  7. Now that i have replied to your "weak refutes" under your comments, Here is a new comment from my side :

    1. Your arguments of "calling your narration weak" has been destroyed as you don't have an usool to rely upon in the first place. So the very root of your "objection (your first comment)" is cancelled out and hence the discussion end here

    2. If you wish to debate then please do so in a group and not via character restricted blog comments.

    I Invite you to the group (from which you and your likes ran away earlier) to debate and in sha allah your pathetic majoosi religion will be refuted in front of everyone so that everyone can learn how pathetic your MAN MADE religion is

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/121819731235408/

    Or you can click on the Facebook Icon on the RHS (right hand side) of the blog

    May peace be upon those who accept guidance and stop equating a shrine/tomb with Allah's house or throne !

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  8. Hey, stop spreading hatred among Muslims. Please don't degrade or discriminate any sect of Islam. Shia Muslims can also show you many dumb and stupid narrations from Sunni Muslim books. I humbly request you to stop spreading enmity. Be mature and talk about love'n peace.

    Regards!

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    1. “It was said to Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal: ‘A person who fasts, offers the prayers, and does I`tikaaf (seclusion in the Masjid) more beloved to you or the one who speaks against the Ahl al-Bid`ah?’ He (Imaam Ahmad) said: ‘If he stands (in the night), prays and does I`tikaaf, then these are all for himself. But when he speaks against the Ahl al-Bid`ah, then this is for (the welfare of) the Muslims and this is better.’

      (Ibn Taymiyyah continues): So he (Imaam Ahmad) has made it clear that this benefits all the Muslims in general regarding their Deen, similar in nature to Jihaad in the Cause of Allaah.”

      [Majmoo` al-Fataawa (28/231-232)]

      Imam al-Awza`ee said :

      how can people be on guard against them if they (Ahlul Bid`ah) are not exposed?”

      (Recorded by Imam Ibn Asakir in Tareekh Dimishq Vol 8 page 15)

      {{Shia Muslims can also show you many dumb and stupid narrations from Sunni Muslim books.}}

      sure, try giving us some and see the result in sha allah [smile]

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  9. Syed Mohammad Asif19 October 2013 at 01:55

    Thanks OmarShah for such a detailed and nice reply !

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